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|Ken (News Letter and Web Page)
Phone 08 83872845
Hi Im Geoff Oudshoorn. I work in the Production Control Dept at Mitsubishi Motors Australia Limited as a Production Schedular and Procurement Clerk. My hobbies include guitar playing, alternative music, movies and permaculture gardening. I was introduced to ASTRO by Rod 5 months ago after he lent me two videos about David Icke and Free Point Energy.
I have learnt more since attending these meetings than ever before. The number of members who are constantly trying to make a difference to save our over-abused world also astounds me. (A personal thanks to Rod and Victor for my spiritual awakening).
I decided to take on the job as secretary in an effort to contribute something to the ASTRO group (after giving everyone else the standard 90 seconds to reply) I hope to adequately fill the shoes of Andrew who I believe did a fine job. Thanks Andrew and Ken for he transitional help over the last month.
You may notice some slight changes to the newsletter over the next months. I will include Peters Page as an excellent source of minutes to the previous meeting and try to include something topical for the upcoming meeting.
Thank you all for giving me the opportunity to take on the secretarial functions of ASTRO.
JOE CELL TESTS
This is the third in a series of articles written by ASTRO member Bruce about his Joe Cell research here in south Australia.
JOE CELL TESTS PART3 May 10 1999
Since my last report, the cell has been sitting in the car connected by the aluminium pipe and rubber hose to the manifold. The hose has an aluminium plug fitted to it so that there is no actual vacuum present on the cell. During this period, the car has been acting rather strangely in that the fuel mixture runs rich for several days at a time, increasing the idle revs to about 1,000rpm and necessitating a carburettor adjustment to lean it off again. During this "rich" period I also noticed a drop in engine water temperature. After a few days, the reverse happens and the car begins to stall every time the vehicle tries to idle. Readjusting the mixture once again brings the engine back to normal running. These effects led me to believe that the cell was actually cutting in and out although at a reduced effect than I had experienced before. Overall I have been unable to get the car to run "normally" since the cell caused it to run at 2000 revs several months ago. Also fuel economy has worsened to about 40mpg.
After reading some of the Internet newsgroups and hearing about some experiments in Melbourne, I decided to try placing a circular magnet under the cell. Andrew happened to ring me up on an unrelated matter while I was contemplating this so we discussed the idea and he offered me some suggestions. These were North pole facing upwards towards the cell, trying brass or gyprock (diamagnetic) between the magnet and cell and surrounding the cell with gyprock to eliminate the effects of outside fields.
Initially I took the cell out of the car and fed 24Volts into it. Immediately there were masses of the small white bubbles that we have come to know flowing over the top of the cell and down the side. When lit there were extremely potent implosions with one attempt ending in water shooting out of the exit tube and hitting the roof of the shed. I then experimented with the magnet and other compounds as mentioned above but did not notice any difference at all.
I then fitted the unit back in the car and left the circular magnet under the cell just to see if anything would happen. After two weeks.........nothing happened at all! After two weeks and one day, the engine began running roughly (in the Barossa Valley at the time) and by the time we arrived home, it was running VERY roughly. After investigation, I found a head gasket with a piece missing between cylinders 2 and 3. The engine machinist who faced the head commented that this occurrence is usually caused by the engine pinging over a period of time. I have experienced some pinging in the engine but nothing severe enough to cause this. Then I remembered that the car has not run properly since the 2000 rpm episode, during which time I experimented with some rather radical timing changes (up to 20 degrees advance) in an effort to get the engine to run on the cell itself with no petrol. I am now assuming that as the engine has not been running correctly since then that this may have been when the damage started, having now slowly progressed to a burnout of the gasket.
Once again thank you Bruce for writing it up (Ken).
IMPROVED HEAT PUMP PRINCIPLE
Conventional Heat Pumps (refrigeration systems) waste huge amounts of energy trying to force Kilos of refrigerant through an expansion valve.
This valve has deliberately been made very restrictive so the pressure changes required for change a refrigerant from liquid to a gas and back can be achieved began to think there has to be a better way; and there is, thanks to nature for showing me how and providing amounts of heat free!
If we use a compressor to comprees gas and pump a refrigerant to give off heat in a condenser, we can dispense of the expansion valve and use an expander motor instead. Using an expander motor means useful power can be recovered back to the drive system for re-use and the pressure changes can be achieved and comtrolled by valve; and the actual control load placed on the expander motor.
Many readers may not see the huge potential of this system, however, I believe this means that large amounts of heat can be moved and concentrated into higher useful temperatures with very small energy output.
Because this heat pump system can provide heating or cooling 24 hrs a day with minimal energy input, it has the potential to completely replace our whole fossil fuel burning energy system and achieve full zero emission status with the use of closed loop energy feedback.
Potential uses are, hot water heating, refrigeration and providing heat for various expansion motors (also cooling of contraction motors) for transport and industry / energy production.
Many variations / implications are possible, including the use of turbines, but the golden rule must stand No restrictor values can be used!
Victor's February Websearch
Do you ever look up at the moon and wonder why it sometimes looks so big that you are convinced its going to hit the earth and other times it takes some time to find it? Well there is always someone who thinks that they have found the answer and here it is.
Moon Illusion Solved By Father-Son Scientist Team
Why does the moon look so much larger on the horizon than when
it's high up in the sky? A father-and-son team, one a
psychologist and the other a physicist, believe they have the
answer. Findings from their new study provide strong support for
one of the two diametrically-opposed theories explaining the
phenomenon known as the moon illusion, they declare.
The human ability to perceive an object's size accurately regardless of its distance, known as "size constancy," reflects an innate understanding of the inverse proportion between distance and size of the image projected on our retinas. And according to the older of the two general explanations for the moon illusion, we see the horizon moon as bigger because the information presented by the intervening terrain affects our perception of distance, so our brains respond as if the moon were actually closer.
But proponents of more recent explanations for the moon illusion argue that perception of distance follows from perception of size. They contend that certain factors cause us to perceive the elevated moon as smaller than the horizon moon and that this illusory size difference, in turn, leads to the perception that the elevated moon is farther away.
In an effort to determine whether people perceive the horizon moon as closer or farther away than the elevated moon, the father-and-son team of scientists from New York University and IBM's Almaden Research Center conducted experiments with artificial moons projected onto the actual sky using optics and a computer display.
In their article in today's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Dr. Lloyd Kaufman of LIU's Psychology Department and James H. Kaufman of IBM's Almaden Research Center report that people perceive the halfway point between themselves and artificial horizon moons to be more than four times farther away than the halfway point between themselves and artificial elevated moons.
They also show that people perceive an artificial moon of constant size to be smaller when it's moved closer, in keeping with the older theory of the moon illusion.
As the authors write, "These two explanations, both based on the geometry of stereopsis, lead to two diametrically opposed hypotheses. That is, a depth interval at a long distance is associated with a smaller binocular disparity, whereas an equal depth interval at a smaller distance is associated with a larger disparity."
They continue, "We conducted experiments involving artifical moons and confirmed the hypothesis that the horizon moon is at a greater perceptual distance. Moreover, when a moon of constant angular size was moved closer it was also perceived as growing smaller, which is consistent with the older explanation."
They conclude, "We found that the perceptual system responds as though the horizon moon were at a greater distance than the elevated moon. This is consistent with theories that attribute the illusion to the effects of cues signifying that the horizon moon is much more distant than the elevated moon. . . we suggest that the physical cues to distance affect both perceived distance and perceived size.
"The opposing apparent-visual-size
theories substitute perceived size for angular size as a cue to
distance. Thus, they imply that perceptions cause perceptions."
[Contact: Lloyd Kaufman, Mike Ross ]
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The Secret Super High Mileage Report
Chapter 5 Tom Ogle's articles
Success at 100 miles per gallon
By Ron Laytner
El Paso, Texas- is a young high school dropout the most important American inventor since Thomas Edison?
Will he and the world energy shortage and show us how to drive from New York to Los Angeles on$15 worth of gasoline? Or is it all a hoax to get inventors' money and infuriate the oil companies?
El Paso has been excited ever since 25-year-old Tom Ogle, a simply-educated, home-town auto mechanic; astounded engineers by converting his car's engine so it appears to drive 100 miles on a gallon of gasoline.
Ogle did away with the carburetor and fuel pump, replacing them with a secret black box he calls a filter. The super mileage, he said, was due to his pressurized, vaporized fuel system that injects fumes directly into the engine's firing chambers.
Engineers have tried but found no evidence of fraud. On April 30 last year Ogle drove a 1970 Ford Galaxy 200 miles from El Paso to Deming,N.M., on a measured two gallons of gasoline. The auto was inspected for hidden fuel tanks but none were found.
Ogle and his car were under observation at all times yet the "Oglemobile" went the distance without stopping for fuel and averaged 100 miles per gallon at 55 mph. Doublers became believers. Scientists were amazed. Many were convinced Ogle's claim is legitimate.
Tom Ogle believes his new company, Ogle Fuel Systems, will soon become one of America's largest corporations because the world must have his invention. He plans to have a miniaturized version installed in test cars by the end of Jul, and expects to have it on the market within a year, selling for about $300 a unit, installed.
If he can survive criticism by giant auto and oil interests he could become one of the worlds richest men. And he will,according to millionaire C.F. Ramsey, an international financier from Longview,Wash., who has backed Ogle with "unlimited funds" for world-wide marketing rights.
Ogle was easier to meet with a few months ago but with success he's become reclusive, a junior Howard Hughes hiding from the press.
Then, he was set up in the back of garages owned by friends. Now, he is incommunicado, headquartered in El Paso's most prestigious building and travelling in chauffeur-driven limousines and corporate jets.
Before he went underground, Ogle told me, "We've had inquiries from Ford, Chevron, Shell, Volkswagen and Chrysler and calls from the biggest retailers in the world wanting marketing rights." But company spokesman denied contact.
Ogle said he refused one man,"Said he was the chief engineer for Shell oil and asked what I'd do if I got an offer of $25 million to sell out." Shell denies it.
But a spokesman for investor Ramsey, said many giant corporations had been in El Paso trying to buy up control of Ogle's invention.
The inventor said he discovered his fuel system by accident, "I was messing around with a gasoline lawn mower when i accidentally knocked a fuel in its fuel tank. I put a vacuum line running from the tanks straight into the carburetor inlet."THe lawn mower kept running.
"I just let it run and it kept running but the fuel stayed the same.I got excited. The lawn mower engine was running without a carburetor and getting tremendous efficiency."The engine got hot so Ogle used an electric fan to cool it and was amazed when it ran 96 hours on the fuel remaining in the mowers's small tank.
He went from the lawn mower to the automobile engine, converting a car in the same manner, its engine started immediately but the gas tank collapsed inward. Many months and reinforced gas tanks later, he solved the vacuum problem.
But, the car without its carburetor and fuel pump, had no acceleration. It couldn't run faster than 20 mph. And the modified engine averaged only eight miles to the gallon and stalled after 10 miles.
One day Ogle crawled under the stalled car to examine its gas tank and got a surprise;"It was freezing cold, like an ice-cube.As I was sucking vapors out, it was acting like a refrigerator with liquid on the bottom and fumes on top."
When he solved the stalling problem by warming the gas tank with heater coils,the miles pre gallon skyrocketed to over 100. Tom Ogle hasn't looked back since.
He believes his system is the answer to the world's pollution problems and has demonstrated virtually zero pollutant emissions coming from his engine exhaust at computerized auto engine test centers.
In a typical test, with the engine running and the speedometer over 55 mph, a jet of clean hot air, without the usual obnoxious smell, leaves the Oglemobile's exhaust pipe."You can dry your hair with it," said Tom Ogle.
After an hours high-speed run, water in the radiator is only luke warm.And a spark plug installed before the test comes out cleaner than it had gone in.
He isn't afraid of oil interests."My wife Monika is scared, afraid I'll get kidnapped. But I'm safe. People still can't believe or understand what I've discovered.
Ogle said he asked President Carter's assistance with developing his invention and had sent the president all the data and test results on his experimental model. At one point an official with the U.S. Energy Research and development Administration declared Ogle's vaporized fuel system contained no fakery.
"I think personally, and with strong conviction, that there is no hoax," said Richard W. Hern, fuel engineer systems supervisor at ERDA's research centers at Bartlesville, Okla. on May 6, 1977, after examining Ogle's invention until his patent and other legal matters were settled.
But later Hern said it was impossible to get such mileage as the invention promised. He couldn't say more, he declared, because he was bound by a statement of confidentiality he signed so that he could view the invention.
Ogle's noisiest critic has been Robert Levy, an El Paso physicist who insisted it was impossible to move a 5,000 pound car more than 50 miles with the energy contained in one gallon of gasoline. Levy had stated the Oglemobile was a fraud but lately, as Ogle's credibility grows, he has backed off, denying he ever called the system a hoax.
Mack Massey, an El Paso auto dealer, who claims he's an early Ogle backer, said a patent search made last year on Ogle's system turned up a similar General Motors patent approved in 1972. But GM spokesmen said the company had more than 500 patents granted that year and would need a patent number to find out which invention Massey spoke of.Ogle said he received a phone call from GM requesting permission to inspect the car. But Joe Karshner, a company spokesmen, said "We haven't approached Ogle. He has never made a submission to us and we've never gone to him.
"This is very controversial. We are interested in anything and everything that would improve a vehicle's performance. If Ogle's invention is legitimate we would be interested. He is free to come to us."
Highly qualified men praise Ogle's system: John Whitacre, professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Texas, El Paso, said, "To me it looks like the only thing leaving the tank is air vapors, giving better combustion. It's a different approach working with gas already vaporized."
Another supporter is professor Gerald Hawkins of Texas A&M University, holder of a doctorate in mechanical engineering with a background in gas dynamics and aerospace study, member of the American Institute Of Aeronautics and Astronautics and The American Society of Mechanical Engineers.
There is no hoax eliminated the carburetor and achieved what the gasoline internal combustion engine was supposed to do all along-to operate off fumes. I don't know why somebody didn't try this before."
Another Texas inventor, Frank Read of Fort Worth, Said he perfected a system to improve gas mileage and that fights with auto manufacturers almost broke him. He said he underwent 11 court battles with oil companies trying to buy of his unit with an agreement he never build another.He felt Ogle had a long, hard road ahead.
In Washington a spokesmen for U.S. Sen. Gaylord Nelson (D.Wis.) said, "It sounds to good to be true.But if the Ogle invention proves feasible, results would be awesome.
"America could become oil self-sufficient and the drain of oil dollars to the Middle East ended." said Jeffrey Neddleman, legislative assistant to the lawmakers who pioneered U.S. government fuel economy standards.
"The potential benefits are too great for it to be ignored. The senator is asking the Department of Transportation to make a thorough investigation of the Ogle system.' This article from RV Magazine
Over 100 miles on a gallon of gas
By Gregory Jones
A 24 year-old inventor in El Paso, Texas, has the government and the automobile people taking a close look at his astounding experiment that could revolutionizing the industry.
Two hundred miles on less then two gallons of gas?
That's the spectacular fuel economy Tom Ogle got when he test drove a beat up, 4,600 pound, 351 cubic inch, 1970 Ford Galaxy on April 30 1977, from El Paso, Texas, to Deming, New Mexico, and back.
It's that type of performance that Ogle believes will liberate the nation's army of automobiles and commercial carriers from the bondage of high costs for fuel. According to Ogle, his system will reduce to near zero the hydrocarbon and photochemical pollutants emitted by the gasoline internal combustion engine and eliminate the traditional engine and eliminate the traditional carburetor and fuel pump- resulting in fewer tune-ups and maintenance.
The 24-year-old inventor, who cared more as a youngster for tinkering around in automobile engines then playing sports, will have his system patented, perfected and into mass production within a year. In the meantime, to convince the doubters, he plans to equip three late model cars with his new fuel system (eight, six and four cylinder) and test prove them in the laboratory and on the road.He predicts the powerful eight cylinder engine will get 90 to 120 miles per gallon;the six cylinder medium-sized engine will average 140 to 200 miles per gallon; and the economy four-cylinder engine will steal the show at 260 to 360 miles to the gallon.
Well, one stumbling block, that leaves the critics searching for an answer is the monitor test run. It has been established no hoax was perpetrated, unless it was of such an elaborate nature that it escaped the scrutiny of numerous mechanics and engineers.
Ogle ran his test drive in West Texas and south central New Mexico, an arid environment that combines Yucca of the Chihuahuan Desert, Cotton Wood of the Rio Grande Valley, and the many types of pines that speckle the upper reaches of the Rocky Mountains foothills.
Before he would begin,the Ford was closely scrutinized for hidden fuel tank he designed for his fuel system was emptied of its contents, and a carefully measured two gallons of gas was poured back in. The fuel tank was checked for hidden compartments. None were found. It took ten to 15 minutes to get the car primed to start, proving all the more that there was no hidden fuel and that the system had been emptied. Ogle then drove the low-hanging car out of Peck's Automotive Service and Body Shop, located in northeast El Paso, and followed a police escort to the city limits. A caravan of curiosity seekers followed the vehicle to interstate 10, which goes north out of El Paso to Las Cruces, New Mexico. There the Ford test car turned west, and followed Interstate 10 to Deming.
Ogle summed it up."It was like one guy commented...that we actually had really done something when we got to Las Cruces (45 miles from El Paso)When he hit Las Cruces, we were already going better than a Datson, "Ogle quipped, then nodded with his head toward the big Ford Galaxie as if to say:"And in a car like that!"
Ogle maintained 55 to 60 mile per hour speeds, and had to climb one steep incline just west of Las Cruces in order to get up on the mesa which remains relatively flat for the next 60 miles to Deming.
The "Oglemobile," as the test car has come to be known,only stopped once in Deming, where Ogle, his assistant James Franklin, and a news paper reporter had a cup of coffee"while some of the other cars got gas." The test run was in completion when he was forced onto a shoulder along the highway and a rock flew up and punctured a "filter"in the fuel line,causing the vaporized power to escape to the atmosphere.The engine stalled and the car had to be towed back to "Peck's" garage."It was still a success. WE proved we could do it,"Ogle said later.
How exactly did he do it?
Ogle is understandably cautious about explaining in to much detail what is that makes his system work. There is still the all-important matter of getting a patent for his invention, and, until then , we'll have to make do with a nuts and bolts description.
First off, the vaporized fuel system is nothing new.It's been kicked around for 50 years or more. Ogle said he did something that other inventors and experimenters didn't try, how ever, and that was to eliminate the standard carburetor. During the explanations he gave to professional mechanical engineers, Ogle would proudly come forward, holding the defunct carburetor, smiling as broadly as a successful big game hunter. "Here's the carburetor," he'd say, while the engineers pondered the "black box" contraption that stood proudly in the carbonators place.
It's through this black box that the fumes are "filtered" a final time before being injected straight into the cylinders.Air is mixed with the fumes both at the fuel tank and the engine.A mechanical engineering professor from the University of Texas at El Paso suggested to Ogle that he call his "filters" something else. "You're not actually filtering anything," professor John Whitacre said. "Those `filters' are actually more like absorptive surfaces or absorptive panels."
Gerry Hawkins, a specialist in high performance engines, shook his head after viewing the Oglemobile. "It looks good," he said. "I don't know why somebody didn't try this before. He's eliminated the carburetor and achieved what the gasoline internal combustion engine was supposed to do all along-to operate off fumes. The idea is feasible,and it appears he's found a way to make it work." Hawkins holds a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from Texas A&M University and currently is on the U.T.El Paso faculty.
"To me it looks like the only thing that leaves the tank is the fumes," claimed Whitacre. "That just gives you better combustion. I'm most impressed.It's a different approach, one that works with gas already vaporized.Why wasn't it developed before? Because everybody tried to make the carburetor work better instead."
Ogle,too, believes that his invention is something that "could have" been made to work before but wasn't.
"That's why this system is a breakthrough, and nobody can really understand what it is until the engineers have a chance to take it apart and see what's going on. If you base your arguments on conventional fuel systems, I could see why people would doubt this. Mine is a completely different system that work son energy taken out of the gasoline.The normal engine takes fuel out of the tank.With this system, you leave the gas in the tank and take the fumes from that gas out. The fumes are the explosive part of the gasoline. The problem is that everybody kept thinking the carburetor is indispensable to the cycle.It's not."
When asked about the safety of his system, particularly the fuel tank where gasoline is heated to generate more fumes, Ogle shrugged off the question with a strong statement that his fuel tank is safer than those installed on current models.
"My tank is so thick it couldn't explode,"he said, pulling back his early 1960's Beatles style hair cut. "I figured it all out on a computer. You only have about 240,000 to 250,000 pounds of pressure before the conventional fuel tank will explode. My tank, built of half-inch reinforced steel, could endure 360,000 pounds of pressure before blowing.With only three gallons of gas, which is the maximum any of my tanks will hold,you would only generate about 240,000 to 250,000 pounds of pressure."
In case of a backfire, Ogle said the fumes would be vented to the atmosphere via a safety valve installed in the aircraft hoses that connect the fuel tank to the engine."If we were going to have an explosion, I guess you might say that it should have happened when the car died on the way back from Deming.But the safety valve automatically went into action when the engine pressure dropped and vented the fumes outside the system."
Ogle worked on his system for the past five years-not an easy task. There were many times when he wanted to throw the wrench in.
"The only thing I knew I needed was the pistons to go up and down," he said gesturing with his hands in a vertical motion."And all you need for that is an explosion. I sat back and started thinking what it took to do that.The answer? The fumes."
Ogle credits his four years of training in Kung Fu with helping him to overcome many of the obstacles with developing his fuel system.Kung FU is more of a mental attitude," he said, "as compared to karate or judo which uses force.Kung Fu teaches you to look for the pressure points, but most important, to use mind control. It's a styling art. It taught me not to give up."
The German-born young man, who looks younger than his 24 years, got off to an unusual start with his fuel system.He was 19 years old and was tinkering around on a four-cycle lawn mower. He punched a hole in the top of the engine's fuel tank, removed the carburetor (more out of curiosity than anything else) and inserted a hose into the carburetor jet, connecting that the fuel tank.
"The lawn mower ran for 96 straight hours at idle speed," he said. "I put fans around it so it wouldn't burn up." From the lawn mower, Ogle advanced to the mighty automobile engine. The principle's the same, only the engine is more completed."
He tried his budding invention out on several cars, and progressed in stages, having satisfactorily overcome one hurdle only to encounter another.The first car a 1964 Oldsmobile was a failure.He got only eight miles to the gallon.But it was on this Oldsmobile that he first experimented with removing the carburetor. He learned then that combustion was more complete, and that he could extract more energy per pound of fuel without the carburetor.
"The Olds ran lousy. It had very little acceleration and, of course got terrible gas mileage. Most of the time the engine stalled. I knew I had to get further into the thing." He then designed a system for heating the fuel tank which solved the stalling problem.
It was back to the drawing board,however, because he still had a problem of low gasoline mileage to solve. That's when he came up with his "filtering" system, which he claims is the "real key to the system." After designing the filters he tested the system on his gray Ford Thunderbird, driving the car on the road and in laboratory simulation for more than 140,000 miles. The T-Bird got from 118 to 140 miles per gallon a matter that didn't go unnoticed by his wife, Monika. "We only had to fill up about once a month."she quipped adding that the car got plenty of driving in the city.
The patent Office examiners in Washington are currently reviewing the blueprints of his system, however, the question has been raised that a patent may have already been issued to a person or company for a system similar to Ogle's.The company that has come up more often has been General Motors, although a man named Frank Read, in Fort Worth Texas who said he had designed a carburetor adjuster that will triple gas mileage, discovered as many as 19 patents that might be "similar" to Ogle's during his own patent search in 1975-76.
"If that's the case," Ogle shrugged "why wasn't it on the market? Anyhow, I honestly doubt that anybody has a filter system like mine-or has ever thought of it."
The specialist in fuel system design, who went to mechanical trade school rather than college,"because I say to many people with there master's degrees looking around for jobs," said he would be very interested to know why the holder of a patent to a fuel-saving system such as his had not put the invention into production.
Since the completion of his invention, Ogle has received hundreds of phone calls. One , in particular, came from a Shell oil representative who asked him what he would do if somebody right now offered him $25 million for the system. Ogle's response. "I would not be interested."
"I've always wanted to be rich," Ogle said as a broad smile crossed his face, "and I suspect I will be when the system gets into distribution. But I'm not going to have my system bought up and put on the shelf. I'm going to see this thing through-that I promise."
Ogle has already encountered a situation that was a disappointment to him.He believes an official from the federal Energy Research and Development Administration, who had viewed the Ogle system and rode in the Ogle-mobile, "took a turn around" after he went to Washington D.C.
The official, R.W. Hurn, of the ERDA research lab at Bartletsville, Oklahoma, was cautious and reserved with his comments about the system. He said the system was "rudimentary" in construction and "obviously needs much refinement," but added, "that's not at all unusual with new engineering concepts." The one point Hurn commented on, without reservation, was that he did not think a hoax was involved. "That's the one thing I personally feel with strong conviction."
In a statement prepared by Hurn for U.S. Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, D-Texas, he reiterated some of the statements he had made in El Paso, where he talked with the press under the hot sun in the back of Peck's garage. He said, for example, that he had not seen verified experimented data to support the 100 mile-per-gallon claims of Ogle's, nor had he seen measurements appropriate and adequate to support Ogle's claims of engine pollution characteristics. However, the statement to Bensten contained the following:
"In my opinion, certain claims (as I understand them to have been made) may be faulty, but, as stated before, not necessarily deliberately misleading." Hurn said he also could not make a technical assessment of the fuel system's potential for further development.
"the whole sounds kind of fishy," Ogle said, after reading a tele-communicated copy of Hurn's statement. The government must be getting pressure from somebody. He said one thing to me when he was here, and then turned completely around after going to Washington. I mean, "we knew the system was impractical at this stage-but it is as far as I could bring it without engineering help. Hurn said that he thought things could be worked out. Well, I'll tell you one thing, if there is a real energy problem in this country, and they don't consider this system as an alternative to the problem, then there must not be much of an energy crisis.
"I realize that it's hard to break people away from the conventional designs.But if anybody doubts that my system doesn't work, after we've proven all the federal standards and regulations, then they shouldn't buy it."
The young man who opted for dropping out of high school, but returned later to obtain a graduate equivalency degree, who studied at the University of Morgantown Trade School in West Virginia, who specialized in fuel systems, welding, electronics and auto mechanics, has the determination to take on all corners.
"I decided a long time ago to achieve something, and feel
now that I've achieved what I set out to do."
But the battle isn't over.
Thanks to Bruce McBurney for the Above.
Ashley and Robert will be ours speakers.The Subject: Music, Maths and the Twelfth Root of Two.
An overview of the connection between consciousness sound and geometry.
This should be a good night I'm
looking forward to it.
Davershon had been looking for some new resource material. He had been sent quite a pile of interesting articles from another Astro group interstate. They will be copied for inclusion into our Library. Here is a brief listing:
Roger then introduced Peter P as the guest speaker for the night, ( being your humble editor none-the-less) with the topic of the talk being "Sorting the Chaff from the Wheat".
For the last twenty five years or so of my life, I have been a constructor, instructor, problem solver and trouble shooter in the marine, electronic and building industries. Most of the time there has been plans and specifications to work to or around, leading to a successful outcome. But with many of the projects that have been undertaken by members of our Astro group and many other tinkerers and experimenters, the results have less than inspiring. I absolutely believe that a great deal of the information that is readily accessible out there ( on the Internet or send away for plans) is purposely incomplete or misleading, especially on so-called free energy or over-unity devices. I then gave examples of the JOE CELL, GEET and Stanley Meyers WATER FUEL CELLS Here is brief outline:-
IF YOU COME ACROSS PLANS OR INFORMATION ON BUILDING SUCH DEVICES, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THESE THREE INGREDIENTS, THEN THEY ARE PROBABLY CHAFF. THE GRAIN OF WHEAT IS MISSING.
Questions and answers.
Roger thanked all of the speakers for the night and announced
that supper was available for all, including a taste of his
special Kambucha tea. Next meeting will be on February 11th and
the guest speaker will talk on Ancient Yoga (Editors
note) It was a bit of a weird night tonight with Davershon
talking on and bringing in notes on Orgone energy, Ken's Orgone
scope, and then Victor talking on a Meyer water cell project that
I had diagrams on and additional information. It may be
coincidence, but it made my hair crawl at the back of my neck.
None of us knew what the other was doing that night. I have
sometimes found that when this happens, it is the right time for
something to happen. Sorry if this sounds a bit X - Filey or way
out, but it is the way it happened. Until next time
Regards Peter Patterson.